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Topic: the head lights
Posted By: scottbob0
Subject: the head lights
Date Posted: 25-Dec-2006 at 19:26
tools needed t20 t25 "Duse" style or large flat head screwdriver 10 mm wrench/socket.
                               
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turn wheels to access 3 t20 screws two are for the wheel shroud one is for the bumper to the fender. repeat on both sides.
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also under the sides near the wheels are the side mounts make sure to put them back before you put any screws in the bumper
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four more t25 bolts under the front grill, after removal the front bumper will pull off.    be careful of the two signal lights right and left, if you wish just pull the rubber connectors off, you can leave them if you don't want take it off compleatly. http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0432gc8.jpg"> http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0436gv6.jpg"> http://img506.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0438rg0.jpg">
five more t25 bolts for bumper shroud mount. note that during reassembly you will need to position this part as it was before if not you will have smaller or larger body lines than before the "bumper to hood lines"
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finally the lights four screws t20 . when reinstalling make sure you a line the lights correctly .. the lower two are longer.
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remove the connector and the light slides out.   
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removing the bulbs is not hard just use a t20 to take off the cap and the metal retainer clip, rotate the bulb counter clock wise, bulb fixtures seem to be position sensitive. DON'T TURN THE LITTLE WHITE GEARS!! this adjusts the lights position in the housing.
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the bulbs hid d2S i think O.E.M. is the 4200k you can get hotter bulbs.. hotter = more blue           you can find them for cheaper than this site.. parts+ had them for 75 bucks each.       http://www.xenondepot.com/category.php?category_id=9
the signal lamp m5 / m7 12v, 21w     
high beam headlamp m30 / m32   bulb h7 12v 55w

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W8 6speed 03 Maus



Replies:
Posted By: scottbob0
Date Posted: 25-Dec-2006 at 19:29
and if you guys have any questions i would be happy to help.

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W8 6speed 03 Maus


Posted By: squish
Date Posted: 26-Dec-2006 at 20:03
what kind of heat shield is that next to your k&n air filter?

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2005 V70 R
2007 2.0T 6MT


Posted By: BlueSteW8
Date Posted: 27-Dec-2006 at 15:48
For sure - give us the "skinny" on that K&N set up!
P/N for filter, other pieces parts, etc.
Your fellow W8ers would appreciate it.
I've been thinking of several things, but it looks like you already have a viable method worked out.

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2003 W8 Tip Limousine - locked in sports mode
GIAC pump/stock/ race files
Blue Spirit/ Black


Posted By: BlueSteW8
Date Posted: 28-Dec-2006 at 11:00
Actually, I think I just need the P/N for the filter.
The rest I've figured out, I think.

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2003 W8 Tip Limousine - locked in sports mode
GIAC pump/stock/ race files
Blue Spirit/ Black


Posted By: SirRangeALot
Date Posted: 02-Jan-2007 at 01:27
Fuggin sweet write-up mang!!!!

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Get a wagon. Bitches love wagons.


Posted By: B5crazy
Date Posted: 02-Jan-2007 at 15:22
Nice write-up but I'm really pissed that it takes that much work just to replace a capsule. I had OEM HIDs in my '99 B5 and replacement was much simpler. So much for progress.

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2004 W8 Variant 6MT Pacific Blue/Grey
1992 Cabriolet
2012 Golf R 4dr CW

http://mysite.verizon.net/b5crazy/


Posted By: scottbob0
Date Posted: 02-Jan-2007 at 18:56
at least no one can jack our lights... which if you had to get new ones..... you are lookin at like almost a G..

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W8 6speed 03 Maus


Posted By: SirRangeALot
Date Posted: 03-Jan-2007 at 00:57
Originally posted by B5crazy

Nice write-up but I'm really pissed that it takes that much work just to replace a capsule. I had OEM HIDs in my '99 B5 and replacement was much simpler. So much for progress.


Werd...I laughed when someone told me that I needed to take off the grille and bumper in order to replace the headlights. Then I found out they were right. What a dumb setup!!

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Get a wagon. Bitches love wagons.


Posted By: B5crazy
Date Posted: 03-Jan-2007 at 16:24
Do any of you have people flashing their headlights at you all the time. I had OEM HIDs on my B5 and very rarely did I get flashed. Now just about every night going home I get 1 or 2 flashes. I'm starting to believe that my lights are aligned too high. I was wondering if removing the 173 relay and adding a euroswitch would cause this problem. I know that this mod does effect the auto height adjusters for the lights somewhat as they only move when you first start the car.

Anyone else?

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2004 W8 Variant 6MT Pacific Blue/Grey
1992 Cabriolet
2012 Golf R 4dr CW

http://mysite.verizon.net/b5crazy/


Posted By: BlueSteW8
Date Posted: 05-Jan-2007 at 22:35
I think the autolevel just keeps the headlights from "bouncing" as the car hits bumps and dips. It is mechanically linked to the front control arms(?)
It doesn't make sense that the euroswitch and/or disabling DRL's would affect that function.
They do the "self alignment ritual" on start up - they dip, and then come back up to normal height. Freaked out the wife the first time she drove it.

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2003 W8 Tip Limousine - locked in sports mode
GIAC pump/stock/ race files
Blue Spirit/ Black


Posted By: Stymie
Date Posted: 07-Jan-2007 at 12:05
Originally posted by B5crazy

Do any of you have people flashing their headlights at you all the time. I had OEM HIDs on my B5 and very rarely did I get flashed. Now just about every night going home I get 1 or 2 flashes. I'm starting to believe that my lights are aligned too high. I was wondering if removing the 173 relay and adding a euroswitch would cause this problem. I know that this mod does effect the auto height adjusters for the lights somewhat as they only move when you first start the car.

Anyone else?


B5crazy, I get flashed a couple of times every night with the stock setup. Relay 173 in place, Factory light switch. I think it's due to the brightness of the HID lights themselves.

I always return the favor.

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Posted By: B5crazy
Date Posted: 07-Jan-2007 at 20:20
Good to know but I just don't understand why it was not a problem with the OEM HIDs on my B5. Are the W8's higher *K?

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2004 W8 Variant 6MT Pacific Blue/Grey
1992 Cabriolet
2012 Golf R 4dr CW

http://mysite.verizon.net/b5crazy/


Posted By: W8inDE
Date Posted: 07-Jan-2007 at 21:20
Removing Relay 173 does not effect the "auto-level." Turn on your headlights then start the car. You will see them adjust...I promise.

The euro switch will not effect the "auto-level" either. Again, turn on the headlights then start the car.

The lights will keep adjusting (dip down then up) in either case. The lights only "adjust" down then up when the car is started, not when the headlights are activated.

For further discussion, see VW4EVERGUY's posts here:
http://www.passatworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212613 - Euro switch on W8?? -P

I was a doubter once, too.

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2002 VW W8 4.0L 4Motion Tiptronic Sedan.
Currently in Del-a-where, soon to be in Portland, OR


Posted By: B5crazy
Date Posted: 07-Jan-2007 at 23:13
Well, actually I started that thread. I just wasn't sure it the levelers continued to work while you were driving the car. It's obvious in a garage when you first turn them on.

I may get them checked at the dealer anyway just to see how close they are to spec.

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2004 W8 Variant 6MT Pacific Blue/Grey
1992 Cabriolet
2012 Golf R 4dr CW

http://mysite.verizon.net/b5crazy/


Posted By: SirRangeALot
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2007 at 10:15
I never had people flash me when I have the lights on (and I pulled the 173). Now, when I leave my high beams on, then yes, I'll get some blinded people flashing me...

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Get a wagon. Bitches love wagons.


Posted By: scottbob0
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2007 at 20:58
the freaking high beams on this car are nuts.. the hid's have good vis. but damn u hit the high beam and its like day time.

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W8 6speed 03 Maus


Posted By: SlimW8
Date Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 14:12
Hi All,
Thanks scottbob for the instructs and pics. I had a bulb go bad and did this procedure yesterday and although it does really suck to go through all this just to change a bulb, it really isn't that difficult. I just wanted to add a few things that might be helpful.

1. A "dumpy" screwdriver is handy for the 2 Dzus fasteners on the belly. (if you don't jack the car.) A 1/4 in. ratchet with torx sockets work great for the wheel well screws.(no need to turn wheels) Use the same handy ratchet with long extensions for the deep-set screws. On the wheel well screws, the 2 screws that go into the fender (straight up) have wider threads, so don't mix them.

2. To remove the grill completely, the little hood release handle must be removed. There is a little clip that flips up, and then the handle "fork" can be spread apart to remove it from the pin. I had to use a needlenose pliers as a spreader since I didn't have an extra wide screwdriver.

3. Once the 2 screws are removed from the top of the grill, use your fingers to pry from the front and back of the grill. There is one clip on the top middle, 4 on the bottom, and one on each side(these are more like a guide). Undo the top center one first, then the bottoms. Pull as straight up as possible, and once a clip pops out, try not to let it go back in because they go back in very easily.

4. Mark the plastic bracket that the bumper attaches to BEFORE undoing the screws. Use a grease pencil or marker. You can also mark the screws on the headlights. This makes sure everything goes back where it should.

5. The bulbs are keyed, so they only go in one way.

6. The wires on the side marker lamps have plenty of slack, so they really don't need to be removed.

I was by myself and it took me about 4 hours to do both headlights, mostly because I didn't know what I was doing and I took my time. I think I could probably do it in under 2 hours now that I know what to do.

I ordered my bulbs from PlasmaGarage.com.   http://plasmagarage.com/XENON-bulbs.html
It was $129.00 for the pair (5000k) and FREE next day shipping by USPS. 6 and 8000k bulbs are a little higher.

Peace.


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2003 W8 Sedan
Silverstone Gray/Gray
Sport Pkg. (6SP,17"BBS,Susp.)


Posted By: fitzski
Date Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 15:04
Originally posted by B5crazy

I just wasn't sure it the levelers continued to work while you were driving the car. It's obvious in a garage when you first turn them on.

I may get them checked at the dealer anyway just to see how close they are to spec.


That's an interesting question... I'm not sure if they get their setting at start-up and then that is it, or if they continuously adjust - say if you drop off your two back-seat passengers without turning off and re-starting the car.

I did find this quote:
The VW system is a "Static" Level system. The function of this is to keep the headlights aligned based on the load placed int he vehicle. It takes about 2-3 Seconds for the headlight to respond to changes in load and level the lights.


I don't find that people flash their lights at me very much. In fact, I would say my lights are probably aimed a bit low - driving on the rural roads around home at night is a bit unsettling if I can't use my hi-beams (i.e. if there is an oncoming vehicle).

I also find the fog lights *completely* useless.

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2003 Passat W8 Variant
(Pacific Blue, Tan, 6sp)


Posted By: craig
Date Posted: 02-Feb-2007 at 12:41
I think I've seen my re-level when I drive into my driveway. (Why shovel with 4-motion :-)

Occasionally I get flashed after I pass somebody.

The B6 with the optional directional headlights is hilarious at startup - up, down, and then side-to-side.


Posted By: sledgeharvy
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 09:13
I've heard that the higher the degree temp. for the bulbs the more blueish-purple they become.. does anyone know what the degree temp in the Acura TL's are burning at??? I love the color they burn at...

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Posted By: Garfield
Date Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 15:50
Yup and the higher the temp the worse the illumination quality. I read somewhere that 5200k is about the optimum.

The mid day sun is reportedly 5500k

The Acura uses standard DS2 lamps = 4300k.

As for temperature here is a little guide

HID 3500k = 3200 Lumen = Yellowish
HID 4300k = 3200 Lumen = White
HID 6000K = 2800 Lumen = Bluer
HID 8000k = 2500 Lumen = Blue



Posted By: sledgeharvy
Date Posted: 03-Apr-2007 at 22:10
Huh!!. Thanks Garfield.. hey when you all turn you the High beams on.. the HID's are supposed to get brighter and the High Beam Halogen lights too right!!???... the reason why I ask is because the HID on the left gets brighter but the one on the right stays the same... I think something is wrong with my Headlamp assembly huh,.. damn it.. now another wrong..!!.. First my engine then my battery now my Headlights.. time to start contemplating a new car again.. ha ha..

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Posted By: Garfield
Date Posted: 04-Apr-2007 at 03:43
Sounds like you're having a bad spell for sure,

Your assesment is correct on all counts, it is a mask inside the headlight that moves to give the appearence of 'high beam' so the expensive tubes are OK if they are both lit. When you go to high beam the plate is supposed to move out of the way making the light appear brighter.

Hard to explain ....

And if it helps you feel better since I got the car I have fixed the A/C cost over 750 ($1400 or so) for a stupid 30 sensor but required dismantling half the car, fixed a failed coil pack 200 again 20 part and a couple of hours pulling the outer manifold off with a 40 gasket needed to do so!!, waiting for the third thing now ..

You may be able to DIY the fix if you are up to pulling the front bumper etc


Posted By: DrJay
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2009 at 19:21
Thank you so much! Spent about 1 hour trying to get this job done before searching out this thread. Job is as good as done now.


Posted By: jimhappy
Date Posted: 19-Oct-2010 at 14:15
Thanks for this guide. Job completed in less than one hour!
Now to wait for dark to see if it helps any.

The old bulbs did appear different. The little round center section of the bulb was white and cloudy. Hopefully that means it was shot.


Posted By: Malcolm Tucker
Date Posted: 19-Oct-2010 at 16:02
Yup, the cloudy bulb usually means the bulb is on its way out. I replaced four HID bulbs on my other car after one went purple and, being an anal retentive, wanted to make sure all four headlamps were the same colour :D

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"I've got more on my plate than a spinster at a wedding"


Posted By: jimhappy
Date Posted: 19-Oct-2010 at 23:06
Just got back from highway night ride. Lights are not much better. They might be a little brighter, but now the alignment out of whack. And still way too dim to go 180mph!
I must need ballasts. Do I need to pull the headlights out again to remove the ballast? Where should I get them, and is there anything else i should try? Cleaning the reflector? Cleaning the inner lens?


Posted By: RobG
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2010 at 05:57
have you realigned them since changing the bulbs? I really need to get mine realigned, as currently the dipped beam light drops off about a car length off the front end, and hi beam seems to light the way to the moon. Just havent had time to get it in the garage to get the levels reset with vagcom.

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Posted By: B5crazy
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2010 at 09:18
I've always gone to the dealership to get my headlights aligned. IIRC the gas tank should be full when aligning the headlights.

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2004 W8 Variant 6MT Pacific Blue/Grey
1992 Cabriolet
2012 Golf R 4dr CW

http://mysite.verizon.net/b5crazy/


Posted By: RobG
Date Posted: 13-Jun-2011 at 08:37
Thanks for the write up, btw, pics helped loads for taking the bumper off.

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Posted By: W8_4_Me
Date Posted: 19-Jun-2012 at 21:58
V-LEDS.COM I just picked up 2 D2S 8k bulbs for $38 including shipping!!! WAAAAAYYYYYYY CCCHHHHEEEAAAAAAAPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!

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Word!!


Posted By: SirRangeALot
Date Posted: 20-Jun-2012 at 01:45
Whoa...nice!!

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Get a wagon. Bitches love wagons.


Posted By: rtaaffe
Date Posted: 27-Nov-2012 at 01:34
Perfect timing for me to find this write up. Any chance the pictures may be available elsewhere? A few of them appear to be corrupted. Thanks in advance...


Posted By: VancouverW8
Date Posted: 01-Dec-2012 at 00:23
I'm doing this tomorrow to replace a faulty HID bulb (that will teach me to buy crap ones on Ebay), I will take some snaps.


Posted By: Anthenium
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2016 at 20:00
Any chance of getting the Pictures updated/Reposted?

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Cheers!
Tony in Columbus
02 W8 Passat Wagon
05 Chrysler Crossfire
08 Toyota Prius
99 Honda Valkyrie


Posted By: Superman
Date Posted: 02-Nov-2016 at 03:32
Those pictures posted are on Image Shack, a company that did a "bait and switch" several years ago offering free image hosting then changed it to a paid service. That post was made in 2006 and the user hasn't been active since 2010. There's probably little chance of getting the pictures but you could try to PM him.

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Posted By: Anthenium
Date Posted: 03-Nov-2016 at 18:02
Thanks...

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Cheers!
Tony in Columbus
02 W8 Passat Wagon
05 Chrysler Crossfire
08 Toyota Prius
99 Honda Valkyrie



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